MY MESSAGE TO THE WEST CONCERNING IRAN’S F-313 “FIGHTER:” ARROGANCE CAN GET YOU KILLED

I know people are waiting for me to post a big picture by picture analysis of Iran’s unveiled “F-313” not-so-fighter fighter. I don’t think this is necessary, obviously the aircraft is questionable for many, many reasons. None-the-less I still want to give my conceptual analysis here as after having a few days to conduct some light research pertaining to the topic and letting the photos of the aircraft gestate, as usual, I have come to some conclusions that are both unique and I believe compelling, especially when compared with what you have probably read splattered elsewhere across the net.

Ok first off I want to highlight where Iran really hurt themselves on the PR game when it comes to the article they presented earlier this week. There are two particular points I want to highlight:

1.) By showing that ridiculous footage of the F-313 “flying” on a supposed test flight, which was clearly a model airplane as stated in the piece I posted just as the story broke. By doing so the Iranians looked like they were blatantly attempting to ruse their global “audience” in an alarmingly childish way. The identity of that radio controlled model has now been confirmed and a big thanks to Aviationinteler Nico for shooting over the evidence:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Supposed wind-tunnel testing of the F-313 configuration:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2.) By calling the aircraft that they put on display a “new fighter” they once again totally discredited whatever actual value showing off that machine to the world could have had. I mean why not say its the beginning of a long road-map of research and development that will end in Iran fielding a low observable indigenous fighter? How on earth could they look at that thing and say “boy is this gonna give America, Israel and their allies something to worry about?” To clarify, not because the aircraft clearly does not even come close to comparing to other “stealth” aircraft but because it is almost certainly not airworthy. I realize that Iran’s leadership, and especially the IRGC, has a grotesque flare for bravado, and overstatements, but the whole idea that this was a new game changing “fighter” was comical and I have to be honest, I had a good laugh too. But once I blocked out Iran’s soaring claims and looked at the bigger picture and the evidence at hand, a much more relevant possibility began to emerge.

So with this in mind it really leaves us with the question of what the heck is the F-313? I have a couple of ideas, both of these theories are much more important than just trying to figure out if what was displayed by the Iranians was an airworthy machine or not, and yes that too is a piece of the puzzle which I will address. As always I aim to provide a “full spectrum” analysis to my readers, so bear with me as I walk you through this.

Theory 1: The F-313 is an absolutely horrible attempt at mocking up a totally fake indigenous stealth fighter intended to give the US and Israel pause and to showcase Iran’s improving technological capabilities to the world. In other words it is just a video of an RC plane whizzing around and a fiberglass and wood shell with some commercially available avionics thrown in to make it look like maybe it could have a purpose. A propaganda campaign with wings, and a poor one at that because Iran’s claims clearly did not match the specimen on display.

Still the Iranians must have known that the world would immediately realize that this little aircraft is at best an idea that has never taken flight or at worst a fantastical model of what an insular engineer thinks a futuristic low observable jet should look like. I find it incredibly hard to believe that if Iran was simply after a propaganda stunt that they would not have come up with something far, far more menacing, in its potential capabilities and aesthetics. Iran does have a robust aerospace engineering academic corps, one that when paired with espionage has been highly effective at keeping incredibly complex foreign aircraft flying decades after anyone thought it possible. See the F-14, of which about two dozen are still in service in upgraded fashion some 30+ years after all support for them was embargoed. Additionally Iran does have the internet and they have access to an avalanche of open source information regarding stealth design. Just go pick up the Aerofax book on the F-22 for instance, every inch of that aircraft is covered in minute detail in it. So if your goal was to create an imposter stealth aircraft, all show and no go, your budget would not be an issue nor would your access to information on the aesthetics and particulars of existing stealthy designs to integrate into something visually new, yet technologically familiar.

So to sum it up I cannot, I will not, believe that this is simply a very poor attempt at spooking the US and Israel and “showcasing” Iranian blossoming ingenuity. The design is too poor, the finish is too shabby and the spotlight was too bright. If I am wrong than Iran’s leadership is so delusional, isolated and drunk on its own ego that there is no reason why they won’t take on the US in the Straits of Hormuz or attempt to irradiate Israel from the map without understanding that they will not live to tell their next generation about it. Such ignorance is incredibly hard to believe, especially for a state that has survived for decades under incredibly harsh circumstances.

So if the “F-313” is not a total fake than what the hell is it as it is clearly not what they claim it is?:

Theory #2: The aircraft displayed as the F-313, although not a flyable aircraft (yet), is part of a new program to design and produce a light weight, low-cost and low observable indigenous fighter aircraft.

I believe that the aircraft displayed on that turntable is a mockup of a design that the Iranian aerospace sector, and possibly the IRGC, are moving forward with as a proof of concept technology demonstrator and eventually a real production aircraft. For decades, throughout the jet age really, the western aircraft manufacturers designed aircraft on paper and once a configuration was loosely locked into place the firm would build a full-scale mockup to work through engineering issues in scale and to market their design. Keep in mind these mockups were almost always smaller than the final production configuration, had strange oddities and imperfections and were built with non-aircraft grade materials to greatly save time and costs. Often these aircraft would look less than realistic, but still they were a worthwhile engineering and business endeavor.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Iran’s “F-313” appears to be an engineering mockup. It is made out of what seems to be fiberglass (you can see it below the cockpit rim) of adequate workmanship. Almost all of the major subsystems are hidden from view, of particular note is the motor. The “pocket” surrounding the exhaust nozzle is not even finished with heat insulating materials, in other words it would melt. There appears to be no weapons bays of any kind. The landing gear’s ability to retract is not clear. The canopy is made out of basic molded plexiglass which would have poor side view quality but decent front view quality. Additionally, there appears to be no latching system to even lock the canopy down. The cockpit is tiny, to the point it actually looks built for a small person. Now this is an interesting point, the ejection seat is actually scaled way down, the stick is equally short, and the instrument panel matches these characteristics. So it is not like the F-313 just has a cramped cockpit, it looks like it was designed FOR a smaller person. More on this later. Then you have the avionics, they look like some commercially available off the shelf basic EFIS components and some other standard cockpit interfaces and their final configuration still appears to be in flux.

Even with all these issues and imperfections the jet does have some things that lend itself to being an elaborate engineering mockup of decent quality. It has avionics, an ejection seat, a stick, intake covers and exhaust cover, a pitot tube, marker lights, articulating control surfaces (and yes “experts” the canards are partially articulated like on the SAAB JAS-37), a design that would potentially not require fly-by-wire flight control and many small details including subsystem vents and other minutia appear to be included as well. To me, the article displayed to the public clearly looks like a mockup not of a production fighter but of a proof of concept experimental testing aircraft, otherwise known as a “technology demonstrator.” This means that performance such as top speed, acceleration and high-g and angle of attack capability are not its key objectives, it is to test the aircraft’s low observability, stability and other primary concepts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fielding stripped down, sub-scale, technology demonstrators and proof of concept experimental prototypes is not the Iranian way of developing advanced combat aircraft folks, it is the American way! If you saw the Have Blue technology demonstrator (precursor to the YF-117) back in the late 1970s would you have believed it was a precursor to a viable weapon system? Even with its small size, “tiny cockpit,” featureless exterior, lack of a weapons bay, and tiny intakes and exhausts? Probably not!

Technology demonstrators are built as cheaply and as fast as possible. Thus they save money via decreasing weight, thrust, creature comforts, weaponization and especially performance. I laughed yesterday when I read three different site’s analysis stating that the F-313’s inlets are too small and the exhaust does not have an afterburner nozzle and the airspeed indicator only goes to 300 units (probably knots). Come on guys, use your deductive reasoning, you could have said the exact same things about Have blue! Do you really need massive air intakes and a huge nozzle to accommodate a single J-85? A motor we know the Iranians have reverse engineered and are producing? Go take a look at the size of an F-5A’s inlet and I think your position will change. With the J-85 in mind, maybe some of the clear attempts at saving weight for the technology demonstration phase had to do with the fact that they could only use a single 2,600lb class motor. An F-5’s empty weight is 10,000lbs. I doubt that this little composite jet (F-313) tips the scales over 6,000lbs. Thus a single J85 would probably serve fine for experimental testing. Back to the miniaturized cockpit, if you are cash, weight and thrust strapped and need to prove a design’s viability, building a cockpit for a small pilot can save you weight and money. In the US we would just  throw more money at the problem and build a bigger, heavier more expensive jet and choose a larger motor to go along with it as we have many indigenous motor classes to choose from. In Iran they could very well say let’s just use a smaller pilot for the test program because we have to work within our indigenous capabilities and budget. It actually makes great sense and I doubt any discrimination lawsuits would be brought before the Supreme Leader for doing so!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not just Have Blue but all other known technology demonstrators had kit-built looks, relatively poor performance, and used often times commercially available components to lower cost. Just look at Boeing’s cool looking “Bird Of Prey,” which shares the drooped wingtip design with the F-313, or Northrop’s “Tacit Blue” BSAX experimental aircraft (make sure to read my special feature on Tacit Blue), both look like bad movie props not operational aircraft, yet they were some of the most successful experimental combat aircraft programs that we have ever been allowed to know about and both paved the way for a myriad of new operational technologies and combat aircraft designs. Keep in mind these are just the few technology demonstrators we know about, and there are likely dozens and dozens of similar quality that still remain top secret.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the remote-controlled scale F-313 featured in the Iranian press release as the actual aircraft that was featured in the Iranian “test flight” clip, I don’t think this model was built just for propaganda purposes. Iran does have serious budgetary and technical constraints that the US does not have. Designing an experimental aircraft on CAD software, then flying it as a model for preliminary aerodynamic validation is good science, especially considering that this jet clearly does not possess fly-by-wire subsystems. Heck, even America is doing this now in some cases instead of building full-sized, or even smaller scaled manned test articles. Check out the X-48 and the X-36 for goodness sake!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So with all this in mind, YES I do think the aircraft called the F-313 that Iran showed the world is a piece of a larger emerging aerospace program that could one day lead to an actual operational variant, although one that is larger, more robust and that can carry a sensible payload. Additionally, if the Iranians took the time to show this thing off I think that the actual flying prototype, which will look very similar to the conceptual mockup, is under construction, or about to fly, very soon. In fact even this mockup could possibly be modified to fly, although I highly doubt it. Still, in regards to the aircraft displayed, what is not to say that maybe its hokey canopy is just a stand-in until the real one is ready for installation as forming a continuous piece of high-grade pyrex is no easy task, and maybe the motor has simply not been installed, along with its related nozzle and heat shielding. Maybe the gear can retract, do any of the “experts” claim to have walked around the aircraft in person or possess highly detailed photos of the gear geometry? Once again I do not believe that this specimen is a flying machine, but I must stress once again that even American experimental technology demonstrators do not look like their production cousins, they look cheap and flimsy! Why? BECAUSE THEY ARE.

What would Iran even have to gain if the displayed aircraft did not even have a shred of truth to it? A flash in the pan news story that will only totally discredit them down the road when nothing more ever emerges? Also, just because folks can point out certain areas where the aircraft’s low observability is degraded via its design, that does not mean that Iran is trying to make an invisible aircraft! Use an ounce of damn creativity people! Iranians are asymmetric warriors, it is how they fight via necessity. Are you telling me that an aircraft that is cheap to produce, with a small radar, visible, and IR signature fielded in mass is not a threat? In many ways it is a larger threat than just spending gobs of money developing a jet that you will only end up being able to afford a few of, and that is if designing such a machine is even within the farthest reaches of your nation’s technological capabilities in the first place.

I see an aircraft like the F-313, once evolved, could be a serious quantitative wildcard to deal with. With such a strategy in mind there is no reason it would look like any high-end US, European, Russian or Chinese fighter product. This aircraft would not even need to carry a radar. It could fly very low at subsonic speeds and employ infra-red missiles during pop-up attacks. And if you call yourself an aerospace expert yet can honestly tell me that a low flying, sub 10k lb, composite jet with stealthy features is a massive radar target than please call the Navy and tell them they are fools to employ similar targets as aggressors against their ships and aircraft in training. Let’s not also rule out the potential for this jet to be produced in an unmanned fashion. In this format the F-313 could work as a reusable cruise missile or even a potent decoy. Its limited range would most likely make line of sight data-link problems that Iran faces a non issue. Lastly the F-313, if it continues on as an extremely lightweight fighter, could operate out of small airfield and/or dispersed operating sites, a feature that would be key in almost every external conflict Iran faces today.

I find it very frustrating that even after a couple of days nobody can use their imagination or put themselves in Iran’s shoes when it comes to what they can do to make a difference during protracted air combat with their limited resources, both monetary and technological. Are we so spoiled in the western world that we cannot see the potential of an adaptive threat emerging right in front of our eyes? Sure, it was a big laugh when Iran claimed that they are going to unveil a new indigenous “stealth fighter” for the world to see. We are so used to seeing modern marvels, almost works of art, such as the substantial F-22 and J-20 emerge to oohs and awes that we cannot recognize a totally different approach as a valid capability and a strategic necessity of a potential asymmetric foe? I don’t care how many F-22s, or Rafales you have, if you are confronted with dozens of dispersed small low-signature fighters that are hard to spot visually, on radar or even infra-red detection devices than you are in a world of hurt. You only carry so many missiles per aircraft per mission, and unlike the enemy, your country has valued a pilot’s life to the point that paying $300M for a single fighter is an acceptable investment. When you don’t have that type of money to spend but you still want to put up some kind of fight your options are usually exploiting a quantitative advantage over a qualitative one and building your weapons with attrition and/or expendability in mind. The F-313 may prove to be an aircraft tailor-made for such a strategy.

As for what you hear elsewhere in the press, the rampant charge to blow off the Iranian’s announcement, no matter how strange, as a clownish joke, sickens me. I have heard almost every “expert’s” verbatim opinion regarding if the exhibited aircraft can fly or not rather than evaluating the potential for such a design concept as whole. Asinine comments that get huge play such as Cyrus Amini of BBC News saying that the aircraft “looks like a cheap copy of the American F-22.” WHAT? So is every aircraft that is built with low observability and air to air operations in mind a cheap copy of the F-22? How does this thing have any relation to an F-22? Was an F-5 just a cheap copy of an F-4 too? Laughable and totally ignorant statement! Israeli aeronautics expert Tal Inbar said, “It’s not a plane, because that’s not how a real plane looks. Iran doesn’t have the ability to build planes. Plain and simple.” And China probably had no way of building a low observable fighter as well until they did. This is such superficial reporting and analysis that it is personally insulting. For some reason none of these folks could not even attempt to connect a few dots to at least put forth the possibility that this is an actual fighter aircraft program that will follow a similar pattern of development as America’s cutting edge air combat technologies? Did these “experts” really expect to see a ready for battle, fully developed stealth fighter sitting in that hanger from a country with a limited technological capabilities and monetary resources? Sure I get it, you can laugh at the big claims and the visual let down at first, but days later these people have not even critically evaluated the situation beyond stating “it’s not a real operational fighter.”

I just don’t know what more to say about this, I am just blown away that these folks have the platform they do. Their superficial commentary does a disservice to all those who look for answers from those who are supposedly in “the know” when it comes to military aviation matters. The Iranians are not as stupid as people think, they have a real vested interest in defending their nation and they are historically incredibly resourceful warriors. Why not at least move beyond their soaring claims and look at what could very well be? A bit of game theory, humility and knowledge of historical aircraft developmental trends can go a long, long way in accurately assessing the F-313’s theoretical potential.,,

Remember this piece of wise military advice: Arrogance can get you killed…

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29 Responses to MY MESSAGE TO THE WEST CONCERNING IRAN’S F-313 “FIGHTER:” ARROGANCE CAN GET YOU KILLED

  1. reqq says:

    Was about to write about that in the other post. We can joke about this iranian plane and so on, but we should never be arrogant about it. I agree with you 100%, arrogance can get you killed!

  2. achraf says:

    thank you for your analysis, I had the same thaughts when I saw the first pictures of the qaher-313, It’s obvious that something is wrong, It’s just what it should be, iranians can have the same technological level in aeronautical industry field as ex-yougoslavia before the war, the azarakhsh (copy of the F-5) and the indigenous Bell hellos, and also the latest Shahed-129 Male are proofs of iranian capacities of reverse engineering, and the next step after being able to coppy a complex system even if it’s old, is to devellop a national program, based on experience feedback, and help of traditional friends (russia and china), I really expect to see the Shafaq concept as a grown up system, almost ready (after years after the first leaks), but it’s gave me a hell of shock to see the F-313 demonstrator, the upper view is interesting, but all other angles are not, It seems like the original configuration of intakes was the same as the F-18E, but that after the guys said: it’s not working, hide them and pierce smale holes up something like the F-117, I think also that they have not begin to work the engine area..but you said something interesting : I hope what iran displays is not their actual state of art, “Additionally, if the Iranians took the time to show this thing off I think that the actual flying prototype, which will look very similar to the conceptual mockup, is under construction, or about to fly, very soon. ” we will see, and I hope Iran’ll not desapoint us

  3. Teresa Tarouca says:

    Has this happened before? A country developing an innovative fighter jet out of nowhere?

  4. Walter S says:

    Great analysis – fantastic read.

    I do have trouble believing this is a not a real aircraft, in Iran’s eyes and Based on your two PR points. They SAY it’s a new fighter. They don’t say it’s in development, or that it’s a mock-up. Their President is there. A pilot is in the seat.

    What do the majority of Iranian’s think now? They think they have a new fighter jet, not a fighter jet program designed to build and fly a plane similar to this in the future.

    I think that Iran is just as likely to believe this will scare US/Israel/whomever as they are to have a functioning fighter program. It’s 50/50 in my book. I know to rational thinkers like you and most people who visit this site, the idea of this being airworthy or real is crazy. But to Iran or Iranians? I wouldn’t categorize their government as rational. You said it yourself, they love bravado and they are cocky. I hope they’re not as stupid as they are portraying themselves.

    Great read, keep it up.

  5. Steve says:

    I’ve been arguing this on a message board since the aircraft was unveiled. About all I hear in response is that I have problems with Americans (because I use a nice acronym someone came up with to show American Superiority Syndrome), and that the US fighters will shoot them down in droves, and Iran can’t even hurt American forces, etc. It’s driven me to the point that I want to just start ripping my hair out. Apparently the new mentality is “If it isn’t American, it ain’t crap.”

  6. RBBailey says:

    Going with #2. I think they are showing that they are trying to work on this as a serious project. Possibly even tipping their hand that Russia is helping them in the venture, or shopping for help from the likes of Russia.

    Iran’s leadership is odd, but one thing is for sure, they have long sought international credibility. They are serious, even if still in the baby-step stages.

  7. crazy says:

    Good points all. It’s certainly plausible that Iran working alone or in concert with others (China, Pak, etc) could be attempting to build an advanced fighter aircraft. Whether this “magic carpet” can and will fly remains to be seen.

  8. Paul says:

    The “low flying” capability of this plane is being extensively talked about by Iranian media. Wing size and shape do seem to be optimized for sea-skimming flight. The small nose may not even house a radar. After all all foreign radars should be treated as compromised, and a domestic one will be detected and will take away form the stealth nature. The small size of the plane furthermore adds to its stealth.

    So what will this plane be used for? Not for air to air combat. This is a cheap, easy to make ship killer. It will fly from makeshift runways on Iran’s south coast, dash over to a carrier battle group at very low altitude while avoiding detection by radar, fire a few missiles, and get back (or not).

    A defensive Iranian solution, for a threat perceived by them. Another tool alongside their cruise missiles and ballistic anti-ship missiles.

    Smart. F-313 is sort of a stealth SU-25, Iran’s Volksjäger.

  9. http://www.siyahgribeyaz.com/2013/02/irann-volksjager-tasarm-hakknda.html

    I am glad that I am not alone in assesing that F-313 is some sort of Volksjaeger, possibly designed to conduct high subsonic – low altitude strikes in a target-rich environment like Persian Gulf or military / energy installations in the region.

  10. Bob says:

    Its a pleasure to read someone with real knowledge of the subject, Iran is behind but not stupid, it is not an Arab country that can only offer camel and Oil to the world, this country can and will fight us back, with results unknown to anyone, unless we use N/ Bombs, which is why they want them for protection,

  11. amin nerd says:

    Thanks a lot for this nice, really technical analysis! I was almost getting confused why they put this little plastic doll up, while even a mockup at this scale needs a genius engineering experience behind. I have been studying Mechanical Engineering in Iran and I have to admit the author… there are quite a few talented engineers and scientist in the field (mostly trained in US before the revolution) and they have gathered a vast amount of knowledge on maintenance, reverse engineering, design and construction and most importantly training new generation of ambitious students! The chief decision makers are wise enough to peruse such defense plans but as you saw, dictators are just bluffing and boasting on what they have no idea about!!

    • behrouz says:

      ” dictators are just bluffing and boasting on what they have no idea about!!” dud,your country issuse is for you,here is for military issuse!!!!1

  12. nico says:

    Once again great analysis, TY!

    I have a couple of thoughts after reading your analysis:

    The regime is under a lot of pressure so the propaganda value of this shouldn’t be under appreciated. Just going to the internet Iran fan boy sites, some of them are stating that not only is this better than a F22 or F35, they are already saying the next fighter that comes will be a 6th gen fighter! It does work for a segment of the population, no doubt. Lets also not forget that Iran has elections, OK, maybe they are rigged and corrupt but even if you assume that in reality 55% of the population would like to change the regime and are being denied, you are still left with 45% that like it or have no beef with what it is doing so the regime is throwing a bone at its supporters here.

    I have read some translations of the dialogues and I think Ahmadinejad was confused or misunderstood the pilot and the chief engineer which could lead credence to your idea that in fact this is a real project and some of the confusion really isn’t propaganda but just poor translation/poor communication.

    If it is a mock up, I still contend it is a very weak one. Apart from Have Blue which as you said would have been confusing, most mock ups get the big things right. Ok, F14 Tomcat mock up only had 1 tail instead of 2 but you can see how everything else fits, the engines, inlets seem right sized, twin seats with what could be judged about right for 2 people, landing gear seems to have enough room to fold, there are even missiles,etc…where as with F313, it seems like Iran has a general idea of what it wants, lets say the aerodynamics work, single engine, twin tail but the size and space requirements weren’t really considered. I mean, I guess you have room in the wings for some fuel but the Iran agency say it has internal bays! for 2000 lbs bombs, where is the room for the landing gear? Because it doesn’t appear at first glance to be whole lot of room down there!

    No FBW? Sorry, I don’t share the general feeling that that isn’t a problem for such a design.

    If it is a real design, it still needs a lot of work. Again, I just feel this isn’t what Iran needs for it defense and economy. People keep talking about Russia and China as friends of Iran, if so, Iran would be far better off with some new Su30s, J10s or even some JF17s! How many weird designs, predictions, boasting have we heard from Iran when it comes to missiles, tanks, helicopters fighters? Just as an example, look at the Saeqeh, which first flew in 2004, which Iran says is similar to a Hornet, ok, but Iran has produced 8 confirmed fighters since 2004. We are in 2013! If it is true that Saegeh is so good, wouldn’t it make more sense to fund that they take on another project? We keep seeing all these numerous fancy designs,etc which are supposed to be top notch world class but then we see very little production. They all seem to me at least to be one offs or very limited series which again!, isn’t what Iran needs.

    I like the idea you had and Will’s that Iran needs or could use a low cost, lo RCS, easy to build strike bomber for asymmetric warfare, I just need to see a lot more to believe F313 is it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HESA_Saeqeh

  13. Robert Juengel says:

    The picture of the f-313 after your statement of “because they are” actually reminds me of the firefox movie plane.

  14. Paul says:

    For now, meaning for the next 3-4 years, we should not worry about the F-313. My prediction is that under the most optimistic conditions Iran will be able to field at most a dozen of these planes by 2018.

    What we should worry about, is what Iran does NOT show us.

    I can’t imagine the current status quo in terms of US Iranian relations is good for Iran, or for us. At some point we need to sit down like two adults and sort out our problems. The Iranian people love us; and the government knows it.

  15. Dariush H. says:

    Dear Arda;
    I appreciate your respect to the History of Human being by addressing the correct phrase “Persian Gulf”, Instead of mentioning any other sort of “…. Gulf”
    Unfortunately, there is a huge propaganda against Persians because of their troublesome annoying regime, just like “The 300” animated stupid movie or National Geography and Google’s manipulation in “Persian Gulf” naming.
    Returning to the article, even as an Iranian Mechanical Eng., I do not have any idea about “how much fighter this F-313 is?” Just from my family background I know that the last SHAH of Iran was constructed a very strong embedded and professional air force just as an exact copy of USAF even in details. A strong patronage and support by Americans helped a lot. An infrastructure that still shows its strength even in the hands of ……. Whatever!
    This fact shows that when some global powers (including UK and US) decided to ruin a nation in 1978 just because of their panic for rise of a SHAH after almost 2500 years, they should have speculated what they were going to do with his majesty’s new predecessors coming from nowhere with unpredictable ideological agenda! Now the real panic is the manner of “SHAH MAT”!

  16. Sallem Shahpur says:

    @Steve (the idiot)…You don’t work in the aviation industry and have no clue what you’re talking about. It isn’t a real plane. It has nowhere near enough internal fuel carrying capability, let alone avionics. The canopy distorts light and is so scratched up as to cause any pilot sitting in the cockpit to go blind and have headaches from the glare and distortion. It is a mockup, plain and simple. Those who tout the Iranian’s capabilities are sadly naive. Those who doubt western and U.S. capabilities are grossly deceiving themselves. Those who believe this is a woking jet have never heard of propaganda and I’m sure Goebbels would be proud to have you as his minions.

  17. Dug says:

    This is an interesting article and I’ll follow development on the F-313. My only beef is actually the website style formatting. White text on black background is pretty terrible. I had to copy-paste the whole article into a Word document just to read it.

  18. Steve says:

    @Sallem Shahpur And where did I say it wasn’t? It’s probably about a 3/4 scale mock up, so what? Everyone else uses mock ups, so why shouldn’t Iran? I can show pictures of the F-14 as a mock up, a B-29 as a mock up, etc. So why is it different when Iran does it? Nothing Iran makes is going to be a game changer, or is going to allow them to win a straight up war against the US, but that doesn’t mean that they only make crap, or they can’t make anything at all.

  19. Steve says:

    @Sallem Shahpur Oh, and for the record, I might not work in the aviation industry, but I’ll put my experience level in the aviation world against anyone else out there. I am willing to bet that I have more experience than most people posting on here, probably including you.

  20. Dariush H. says:

    Hi Steve;
    Some posts in any forum are influenced by personal political issues and this draws a discussion far from a technical neutral one.
    I believe regardless of the level of your experience and knowledge, your context is neutral.

  21. ara says:

    Your problem is that you do not understand dictatorship countries. Just look at shape of fighter and all carves and it’s special design. It’s clearly is matter of art, not a matter of function.
    I know the story behind this fighter.
    5 years ago a fraud with a PHD degree claimed that he is able to build stealth fighter with about 2 million dollar budget. He took the money because nobody liked to point out it’s really hard achievement or question Iranian ingenuity. In next years, he also took other amount of money that I do not know exactly. But I know that he claimed – and everybody accepted- that this project may want more money. It continued until government decided that they want some result. Therefore he showed them what you see. And be sure that our president love shows and so all the world see the new Iranian fighter.
    You may think this is a fiction story, so for better understanding, I like to add some other points.
    1- Doctor or fraud was able to make a real fortune of this project because the nature of project is confidential, and therefore nobody knows where the money goes.
    2- The government would not achieve anything by accepting that this project was a fail, especially near election.
    3- What Iran loose by a bad show? International prestige? No. only a fraction of Iranian people believe in its media and they believe everything that media says. It was a show for them.
    Predicting the future: If Ahmadinejad party wins election this project will continue and we will hear about it in four years; just near next election. Otherwise, this project will be forgotten.

  22. jcsahnwaldt says:

    Theory #3: The Iranians are pioneering a development method called ‘Involuntary Crowdsourcing’. They publish a mockup fighter and then sift through hundreds and thousands of expert blogs and forums to collect hints and ideas of what will and won’t work. All you guys discussing detailed technical aspects of the plane are involuntarily helping the Iranians actually develop and build the plane.

    😉

  23. Danial says:

    its too soon to judge in this case. and this fighter is not 100% ready to manufacture in huge number(if u can understand Farsi)

  24. Se1 says:

    Congratulations! This is the first intelligent analysis I have read so far! If I may be so bold as to put forward another theory. This may very well be a wing in ground aircraft. If you look at their flying boat and their Shafagh aircraft (both of which they fully manufacture) you will see where the design came from. The Iranians are low level flying experts and they see the US fleet in the Persian Gulf as both their greatest threat and their most lucrative target. So a low visibility ultra low flying aircraft which is easy to manufacture would be ideal. The IRGC general in the original tape tells us as much when he talks about its ultra low level capabilities.

  25. TJ says:

    I know very little about aviation but I have an interest in Pol/Mil. Given that everyone seems to agree that this thing won’t fly as is, and given that you make a decent case that it could be something that leads to something else, it occured to me that there is a reasonable explanation for this seeming joke.

    I imagine that Iranian leaders are a lot like leaders elswhere. They know little about the details. In between them are various levels of knowledge from the general, to the specific, to the arcane and highly specialized. I have been involved in many projects where the actual thing we were working on and trying to accomplish, looked worked and was intended in ways very different from what even our midrange leaders conceived. By the time the concept was presented from the top, it resembled the real thing in only the most broad sense. We didn’t care, so long as the project was funded and we were left alone. This can be good or bad, depending on a number of factors (fraud being one, as pointed out above). It happens a lot though.

  26. Cobra Commander says:

    If you really want to see this aircraft pose a threat see this: http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2725/f313cobra.jpg

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